Posts by Pete Zahut

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Hidden Spaces

by mann377 in

well my son (he's pimi) came to me the other day and asked if i could make a bookcase with hidden spaces built into it.

i asked him what for?

he said that they were encouraged to start thinking of and preparing for persecution and hide literature.

Back in the 75 days, we were encouraged to hide literature (namely Watchtowers) inside plastic liquid detergent bottles and bury them in our gardens for use when the work was under ban (any day now) so that we would be able to get "spiritual sustenance" on a regular basis. The fear was that we'd give up our faith or forget our beliefs if we were put under persecution unless we had the literature there to remind up what we were supposed to think.

At first glance, it seemed like it made sense but then one had to wonder what they were supposed to do if they were driven away from their home (as they said we would be) or if there was new light that came out after you buried your literature bottles. Would you still be let into the new system if you had held firm to the wrong version of the "Truth"?

I wonder where all those bottles full of "old light" are these 44 years later ? I always expected to hear an experience at the assembly where someone dug up one of those old bottles and immediately contacted JW's for a bible study which of course was followed up with baptism of the individual and their entire family.

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"They are so keen, they need to be locked up for the first 6 months!"

by stuckinarut2 in

do we all remember that expression when we were jws?.

someone new would "come into the truth", and be so enthusiastic and keen, that we would all joke about "locking them up for the first 6 months because they would preach to everyone".

jws thought that the passion for "learning the truth" was the issue.

Pete Zahut

Someone new would "come into the Truth", and be SO enthusiastic and keen, that we would all joke about "locking them up for the first 6 months because they would preach to everyone"

The same can sometimes be said of someone who has just become a vegetarian for example and it can at times be said of those who become X-JW's. They sometimes drive otherwise interested or agreeable ones off, with all of their carrying on.

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It's time

by Gorbatchov in

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we got a call from close jw family, that it is now time to visit the kingdom hall again because armagedon is a question of a few months.

now it will happen in a very close time, the brothers say so, was the message.. i had earlier the feeling that jw's think the time has arrived because what they say and what they do, work like mad men with their chart every weekend.. so the expetations are high.. gorby's wife replied "how do you know, you should not know day and hour".

stay alert was the reaction.. so sad and so stupid.. g. .

Pete Zahut

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"That is going to be the last..." feeling

by paradiseseeker in

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it's been a long time since i last kept you up to date with leaving process.

well, i got another teaching job, i started to work in october and my contract will expire in july.

that's is almost a year of financial security and i have the certainty that i will be called in a different school in september until i eventually get a fixed post - this is how it works in state schools in spain.

Pete Zahut

It isn't an emergency...you don't have to do anything. If you find there are benefits to keeping things the same for a time or for however long you want....why change? Especially since you are making some big transitions in your life. It might be good to have a stable platform on which to fall back on.

You can keep your thoughts about the religion to yourself and refrain from indoctrinating others and simply look at it as a social outlet. They like you ...you like them...nobody gets hurt. I suspect there are many JW's doing the same thing.

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Why do Jehovah's Witness members incriminate themselves in judicial meeting?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

why do jehovah's witness members incriminate themselves to any judicial process?

how can three elders conduct a judicial meeting with a 15-year-old teenage girl who supposedly was rumored to fornicate, took drugs or was drunk from drinking alcohol?

can she or the parents refuse to answer any questions?.

Pete Zahut

Why do Jehovah's Witness members incriminate themselves to any judicial process?

For the same reason they let themselves or their children die rather than take a blood transfusion. They're indoctrinated to do as they are directed.

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Awake magazine: "Help for those who grieve" ?? Appalling omission!

by stuckinarut2 in

i have just had the opportunity to read a hard copy of the awake no3 2018 entitled "help for those who grieve".

wtf?.

it really is appalling in its glaring omission of any recommendation to see a professional grief counselor!

Pete Zahut

I remember turning to those articles in times of need only to find them sorely lacking in any real advice or guidance. Knowing that the religion I had grown up counting on, had noting to offer, only added to the grief I was already suffering. Sometimes it's better to have no hope or expectations rather than to find out in your time of need that ones you thought you had, are false.

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Big Announcement in Montreal

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

just got the heads up from montreal that 16 congregations will cease to exist from 1 april 2019. also 3 kh are no longer going to be used anymore.

this was a major announcement for many and upsetting.

wonder where the r& f are going to be dispersed with what sacrifices in the way!.

Pete Zahut

Just a thought:

Most JW's don't know the big picture of the organization they belong to. Why, does the organization announce these closures if they are having financial difficulties or are doing something underhanded?

It seems to me that halls could be closed here and there and only the ones attending them and a few surrounding ones a would know about it.

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Not One JW Ever Actually Dies "In the Truth"

by Solzhenitsyn in

just a thought and perhaps this has been discussed before but no jehovah's witness ever actually dies in the truth.

pick a year, any year.

if a jw died in say 1920 or 2020 or whatever...the doctrines change so much and so fast that what is "truth" today is "untruth" the next within this religion.

Pete Zahut

Not one JW ever actually dies "in the truth".

Following that line of thought one could also say that not one JW has ever been baptized having a full accurate knowledge of "the truth" beforehand because what is considered accurate knowledge, changes from year to year. Even the questions for baptism have been changed since I was baptized. This means that the questions I was asked and the answers I gave before my baptism weren't correct and thus my my baptism wasn't valid.

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''Special Letter'' to be Read In Canada Week of Feb 3,2019

by Beth Sarim in

i have just been informed that there is a 'special letter' to be read at the meetings week of feb 3,2019 in canada.

anybody heard of this!!

just a heads-up!

Pete Zahut

To all Congregations,

Dear Brothers,

You will be pleased to learn that effective immediately, all literature carts will be stocked with JWorg merchandise.

To simplify this new arrangement, there has been a loving provision made for all publishers to purchase the merchandise in advance themselves and ask for contributions from the public as they pass by. JWorg merchandise must only be purchased from distributors shown on the attached a "Approved Vendor List ".

The publisher may direct the interested ones to the literature on their cart if it seems appropriate but only after a purchase has been made and the transaction has been completed.

All monies collected will be sent to the Society and used to support those taking the lead in world wide work as this wicked system draws to a close .

Love and greetings from the governing body.

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Infiltrated Elders?

by john.prestor in

so i'm watching john cedars commentary on the annual meeting from this last october, and at one point he shows a clip of garrett loesch talking about the struggles jehovah's witnesses faced decades before in the soviet union.

he claimed that police officers, maybe the kgb, infiltrated congregations which met in secret by studying with jehovah's witnesses, getting baptized, and then working their way up to becoming elders.

ceders jokes that this shows what kind of role holy spirit actually plays within body of elders, but another interpretation came to my mind just now.

Pete Zahut

I'm guessing that one day there'll be an experience given at an assembly about a former government agent who was commissioned to infiltrate the organization but in the process was so impressed with Jehovah's Witnesses that he resigned his government post and became a JW himself. (queue applause)